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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:41 am 
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Now that is what I'm talking about! Nice. How's the beam?

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:53 pm 
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Hi William,

the beam is similar to the one of the new version of the SF III - no wonder, is the LED and reflector the same :)

I am now waiting for an Ostar 15W module to get some more flood - and less runtime :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:30 pm 
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Jochen, have you ever tried an Ostar 15W?

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:00 pm 
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William,

yes, I changed the LED at my own Module (driven by a Shark) and soldered an Ostar 15W on it.
This worked very well but I sold the module to a friend :)
Now I am awaiting the 15W Module from Mike.

I really love the Ostar 15W, brightness and beam are just wonderful!

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:20 am 
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Congratulation on your successful DIY. I wish more would try the Ostar emitter. With the wonderful beam might become more popular. Not only does it have a great beam but now it has the test of time making them very reliable especially in cold weather. I don't even bother too look at other emitters anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:29 pm 
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William,

you are absolutely right about the Ostar 15W.
It is a phantastic LED and we do see it way to rarely used in flashlights.

Did you have the possibility to comapre the full driven Ostar 15W to the underdriven (10W) Ostar 15W?
I really would like to know if there is a big difference.

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:44 pm 
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Both the SF-V and 15-3 have multifunction so I would say yes: I have tried the 15W under-driven. I find no problem with the beam. They are still bright and hold their tint. At full brightness I get spots in my eyes so dropping it down a couple of notches saves my night vision. The voltage stays up and the current is lowered: I like that the beam tint doesn’t change. Osram is a great company that is serious about LED emitters.

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:24 pm 
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This Super Flashlight III Mk. 3 shows big emitters can throw. Pictured, left to right, is the Super Flashlight Mk 3, Osram SMT emitter, 1x 18650; Super Flashlight Mk 2, Lux V, 1x 18650; Surefire 6P with a very popular drop-in that I will call “SF-M”, 2x RCR123; Maglite 2xC cell with incandescent. The Mk. 3 should have been set for medium or aimed further down the building.



There is a very small fan base for the Super Flashlight. Like a few others, I want to keep my classic. It is strange concept in a rise, saturate, then decline to start over again market that flips lights every three months. The SF lights are economical. It’s the ‘change the parts, not the car’ philosophy. People still don’t get how this is value.

In 2003, the SF lights are built and overbuilt with 6061-T6 aluminum alloy, made in the US with assembly in Japan. Each have 65-lumens Lux III emitters, Fraen optic, Kroll switch, and runs on 2x CR123A. Owners praise the unusual quality and balance. Radical, they become classics but times are changing and people don’t see the value of the big platform. Smaller lights like “Nuwai Q3”,” Longbow”, and “Li-On Heart Mr. Bulk (SIC)” take the limelight so I get mine cheap. Yes, I own them all.

Renovation-2 in 2005 internally modernizes them. Around twenty-five are upgraded. Rare Lux V emitters make them brighter than the others. Each gets new reflectors and converters. New Kroll switches are modified for high/low. And many opted to bore-out the thick bodies to fit larger 18650 cells. Overbuilt, they easily handle the extra power. They are envied for the brightness and versatility.

2010: renovation-3 internally modernizes them and updates the tail. Four are revised: two in the Western world and two in Japan. They have 710-lumen ±11% Ostar SMT emitters making them silly-bright. Super Flashlight V reflectors are installed. The converters are different and good: 3-mode electronics with automatic ramp-down to extend battery life (makes a handy out-in-the-field battery capacity/quality tester.) Power is now 1x18650 or 2x CR123A/RCR123. The problematic Kroll is replaced by a new 10-Amp switch in a newly designed anti-roll tail. The sleeper emitters fit their ‘I’m different’ personality. The big heads can still handle the power. I upgraded in steps but imagine if you had the first model and jumped to the third. The difference would be amazing.

The beam is a head-turner. A repair man was here when I got the package from Japan. I ripped open the package but he didn’t understand the excitement of a flashlight. Then he pulled out his two LED Task Lights from Orchard Supply & Hardware. He showed the heads with a cluster of 5mm LED emitters and proudly turned one on. Oh- come on…dim and a soft blue beam; you know I had to take up the challenge. I told him to turn on the second one to make it fair fight. Honestly, neither of us knew what would happen. His six batteries to my one tired 18650 and my single, little, miserable emitter made him overconfident. To me it was the trivial versus love. Old faithful instantly gave an intense spot and filled the room with white light. He sucked in air and exclaimed, "DAMN!" I was thinking, “wow, one cell.” It was magic when he saw the beam multimode operate.

They are amazing: almost 11x more output then they were designed for. Only 16% dimmer then the SF-V but the smaller size makes them much easier to carry. The intense spot makes people think the Mk. 3 is brighter. The head is much larger than the 15-3 and uses less power so the thermal safety doesn’t kick in. At least is hasn’t in mine. You are going to love the warm tint: just a cozy warm feel. And theoretically, they generate less heat and should be more efficient then the other brutes and should also extend the runtime of the beam in medium or low. The design doesn’t yell ‘grab me!’ but more of ‘I’m serious’ look. Understated, they give a hint to what is inside.

I use one battery, the 18650. I don’t like fumbling around and charging a bunch of cells. I think one cell is safer. Look around and I think you’ll see problems using multiple battery configurations. BTW, I have a hell of a time getting the light out of the holster because the anti-roll tail locks it in place. How about an oval anti-roll for an upgrade? I guess I could get another holster.

The disadvantage to the upgrade is they had to return to their creator in Japan. The advantage is ARC mania never does shortcuts…never…never…NEVER! You think you are obsessed? His fixation makes lights cost more but you get what you pay for. I like that attitude.

I don’t understand the nonstop light-buying frenzies at another forum. Maybe they are not getting the promised rewards, don’t know better, or led down the wrong path. Maybe it is an outlet to make money. I just find it sad to see armchair amateurs and shills leading the new. But it is a free Internet-country and free entertainment! A 7-year-old light is a loooong time in anyone’s book so it better be good. The true cost shows my SF III even with updates is a bargain and built better than the quick crowd-pleasers. Try flipping a light that is out of fashion and see. I don’t bother with them knowing that the SF III lights, and others, are an adaptable system, not co-op sales. I often wonder if others know real value anymore.

Flame suit on, just in case.

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 Post subject: Re: SF-III revisited
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:26 pm 
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Wow, thanks for this long story, highly interesting! :)

I'm a newcomer to the SF-III, I currently "only" have one from the last run with the Ostar SMT, got it from someone who sold it a few days upon receiving it, because it had too much throw for him (???). I was so impressed by this light, that I had to get more, there's an Ostar 4500°K to come (in titanium), an Ostar 15W and a flood monster. My wallet screams, yeah...

I'm quite sure people don't know real value anymore. I must admit that I'm also one of those of the other forum who buys here and buys there. I want to get away from that and concentrate on the real things. When I first saw rhe sales-thread of the SF-III, I nearly laughed, had thoughts like "so much money for this light?" Normally I don't read on in such a case, but for the SF-III I did curiously and when I had read it all, I had to get one. Strange, but true and switching on the first one just was "WOW". :P

So, I've become a fan of the SF-III, but I also look at other lights from Mike. They are indeed of a special and rare quality, I qualify such lights as art and the maker as an artist. I think Mike doesn't make the lights the potential customer may want, he makes the lights HE wants to do, that's the difference! 8)

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